ꯁꯤꯖꯤꯟꯅꯔꯤꯕ ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ:Ferien/Archives/2021

Welcome

You are welcome to mni Wikipedia. Here is some Singju for you.

Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯷, ꯷ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Thank you very much :) Belwine (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯸, ꯷ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

User page creation

@Belwine: Hello buddy! Seems you haven't created your user page in this wiki. The reflection from meta wiki is the currently shown. Actually, whenever I surf at Wikipedia browser for "User:Belwine", the result doesn't came. This is because of not creating a user page. Could you please create it? Or shall I do that for you? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯵, ꯷ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Hello! I should actually have a meta page, which should make a page on all wikis. See my user page, it should look similar to (or the same as) this page. As I don't contribute here much, I don't think it is necessary to create a user page here. Regards, Belwine (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯷, ꯷ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Thanks for reply. 👍 Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯹, ꯷ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

A cordial request

I have heard that if in a wiki, there's less than 3 editors (active) in a month, then the wiki will be impeached into incubator stage once again. Active users, I suppose, those who perform at least 10 edits in a month. So, could you please contribute at least 10 edits every month whenever you are free, here, in mni Wikipedia? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯷:꯴꯴, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Because there're only 3 active users (including me) in this wiki. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯷:꯴꯵, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: I don't think that that is the case. For example, on tumwiki, I am the only active user on tumwiki, in terms of edits. https://tum.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers CommonsDelinker and MediaWiki message delivery are bots, CptViraj, Nadzik and Superpes15 have done global renaming and WikiBayer is a global sysop. And tumwiki has had basically no activity at all for the last 10 years! So, I don't think that every wiki with less than 3 active editors in a month will be sent back to incubator. That would mean that dozens of wikis could be sent back to incubator right now. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯱꯴, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Oh thanks for assurance. Then, do you have any idea about the advantage or benefit of a wiki with increasing (larger) number of articles? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯲꯰, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Well, the more articles, the more information there is in your language, I suppose. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯲꯵, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Are you a sysop in one wiki? I saw your sysop log in! Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯲꯶, ꯱꯵ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: No, I do not have administrator rights on any wiki, apart from a separate test wiki that I run alone, that is unrelated to Wikimedia. I have rollback rights on the Simple Wikipedia, reviewer and extendedconfirmed rights on the English Wikipedia and autopatrolled rights on Meta-Wiki. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯱:꯲꯳, ꯱꯸ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

User account problem

@Ferien: I have a suspicion about myself. Many months back, I had used my other accounts in the incubator. And now, I am using Haoreima. Though I have never used any other accounts nowadays. Will I have the threat of getting blocked by the incubator administrators? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯳꯹, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: As long as you are just using one account now, I think you are safe. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯲꯲, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Ferien: I have highlighted in each of my former accounts that it is user Haoreima's account. Is that ok? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯴, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Yes, that's fine I think. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯶, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Sleepy

I think most people in Wikimedia incubator are sleepy or sleepers. Almost most of the time, response came very late. As per your suggestion, I have written my problem in the community page. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯰, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

If still I don't get answers, then I think I must ask at administrators' noticeboard. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯰, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: You probably shouldn't do that, just ask a trusted user or administrator on their talk page. They might be able to help you there, if you don't get a response on the community portal. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯶, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Yes, to save time, I have asked a bureaucrat admin. Hope he might help us. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯴꯹, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

ꯊꯋꯥꯟꯃꯤꯆꯥꯛ ꯃꯅꯥ (Barnstar)

		ꯑꯄꯤꯛꯄ ꯊꯋꯥꯟꯃꯤꯆꯥꯛ ꯃꯅꯥ
		ꯅꯍꯥꯛꯀꯤ ꯑꯄꯤꯛꯄ ꯊꯧꯔꯥꯡꯁꯤꯡ ꯑꯁꯤꯅ ꯌꯥꯝꯗ꯭ꯔꯕꯁꯨ ꯋꯤꯀꯤ ꯑꯁꯤꯗ ꯀꯥꯟꯅꯕ ꯄꯤꯕꯒꯤꯗꯃꯛꯅꯤ꯫ Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯴꯰, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

For your kind contributions (though these are minor edits) to mni wiki, you deserve "The Minor Barnstar". Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯴꯰, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: thank you very much :) --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯴꯳, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Ferien: Notably, "User:Ferien is the first person to get Barnstar in the history of mni Wikipedia" from today. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯴꯵, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Woah, that's exciting! I think there are others here who might deserve it a little more than me, though :) Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯴꯶, ꯱꯹ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Wiki data knowledge

@Ferien: Hello Pal! I think I can perform both desktop view as well as mobile view editing in my gadget. So, could you please teach me how to connect a wiki page with other wikis through wiki data? And, about the creation of a new wiki data page for new wiki pages! I feel myself less confident always requesting (in fact disturbing) others for connection through wiki data! Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯳꯹, ꯲꯰ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hello @Haoreima: To connect items to Wikidata, simply press "Change links" or "Add links" then add enwiki, or simplewiki or whichever Wikipedia you want to connect to. The article name would be the article name on the wiki you are connecting to on enwiki, simplewiki etc. Then press confirm. It's done. Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯴꯰, ꯲꯰ ꯁꯆꯤꯐꯨ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Active request

Hello Ferien! In meta, there's an active request. This one: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Start_allowing_ancient_languages#Support If you are interested, please give a comment. Regards. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯱꯵, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Please be careful, Haoreima, that could be seen as canvassing. I will not go to that page to support as you have asked me to. In the future, please let me find these requests myself. Thank you. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯲꯰, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Ferien: But I ask you neither for support nor for oppose. Just giving you the information on the existence of it. So, I think there's no problem. I didn't mention words like "support" or "oppose" in my statement. Yes, I am already aware of meat puppets. And thank you for reply. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯲:꯲꯲, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: just be aware that you should be careful with informing people about Requests for Comments. For example I could notify 100 people who I know would support the RfC but say 'Your comment on this RfC would be appreciated'. The wording would be neutral but the choice of people I notified would not be, so I think it would be canvassing. Please be careful letting me know of any discussion whether you are directly asking me to support or not. Regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯲:꯵꯱, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Thank you. But will this (my very past action) cause any problem to me? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯵:꯴꯶, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Haoreima, as long as you don't do it again you'll be fine. Best regards, --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯹:꯵꯶, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Could you please archive this very talk? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯰꯹, ꯱꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: In a day or so I will archive the whole page as I have been doing recently with other Wikimedia projects. Also check your Wikidata talk page, I have a question for you. Regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯱꯳, ꯱꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Thank you Belwine! And one thing, as you know, my user account has some abnormalities regarding notifications, if I didn't give you reply or any thanking in time, please make sure give me a talk back in my simple English Wikipedia talk page, because I always visit there everyday. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯲꯵, ꯱꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

I will never missed any notifications from simple English Wikipedia talk page. That's why. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯲꯶, ꯱꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Ok, will do! In case the notification didn't go through on Wikidata, you have another message. Best regards, --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯱:꯳꯷, ꯱꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

84℅ malfunction; 83℅ ok

I have created almost 84℅ of all the articles in the mni wiki. So, in the user humility template, when I entered it, there came a misinterpretation for 84℅. But when I lowered the number by 2 (from the number of articles I created), then there's 83℅ for which no malfunction occur. What and why is this so? Can you tell me? (For verification, please try yourself to reach the number in 84℅ of the total no. of articles in any particular wiki, especially mni wiki). Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯳:꯰꯹, ꯲꯳ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: I'm not sure whether I'd want to get to 84% of articles built at any wiki! Article writing is not my strong point and it'd be very difficult to write 84% of articles. I speak English (as you can see) and a good amount of German (enough to write a short article) but both the English and German Wikipedias have millions of articles. The Simple English Wikipedia also has many thousand articles and it'd be very difficult to reach the 84% mark. So it would be difficult to verify :)

Anyway, back onto topic, ꯸꯳.꯹꯵% is the number that appears when I go to the page. Is that 83%, 84%, inbetween or something completely different? The Meitei script doesn't show on my computer. Congratulations on making so many articles here! --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯳:꯱꯴, ꯲꯳ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

No, I don't ask you to publish your edit by changing your humility template to reach 84℅. But I am asking you if the template at your screen malfunctions or not when you just enter it to reach 84℅ out of total number. Without publishing, you can just check through preview if you are doing mobile view editing. Please check it, just for verification. And tell me if yours also malfunctions or not! Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯳:꯱꯷, ꯲꯳ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Oh I see what you mean now. Let me try it {{user humility|3389}}

<-- this is from your user page

-Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯳:꯲꯰, ꯲꯳ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

At my screen, during the entry for 83℅ or along with some decimals, there's no problem. But if the pc reach 84, you know it appears like this 84∆33℅ Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯳:꯲꯱, ꯲꯳ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hey pal! You tried 3389 right! Please try 3391. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯹:꯳꯲, ꯲꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Ok {{user humility|3391}}

<- What does this say? --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯳꯲, ꯲꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

There, in the middle of the four digits, after the first two digits and before the last two digits, do you see the question mark❓ box (quadrilateral box) instead of dot/point (.) ? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯵꯳, ꯲꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: I see there isn't a dot, I don't see a question mark. I'm not sure why that's happening. --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯵꯶, ꯲꯴ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Wikidata

@Ferien: Could you please teach me how to merge an item into another item in wikidata? And another thing, in the mobile version of this talk page, the former talk (consisting of humility templates) hide the later ones. So, please remove the templates. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯰꯳, ꯲ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hello Haoreima, if you go to your gadgets settings on wikidata (here), you should be able to enable "Merge", a tool for merging items. Also I've removed the humility templates above. Regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯳:꯲꯸, ꯳ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hello pal! I have sent you 2 mails through email. Please see, I have also sent you a screenshot for better understanding about my confusion. Please see! Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯳:꯴꯶, ꯳ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Ok, I will check my email now. Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯳:꯵꯰, ꯳ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Well, when I try to send you a mail attached with screenshot of a wikidata, it remains queued. So, let me ask you directly here. When I was about to merge wikidata items "Puya Mei Thaba", "Puya Meithaba" & another "Puya Meithaba", there came 4 options under a notice box appeared. When I press " Merge ", a red notice appeared soon as " Currently only qid/lid is a valid input ". I don't know what it's about. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯳:꯵꯹, ꯳ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Among the 4 options, which one should I select? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯴:꯰꯰, ꯳ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

German wiki

Hello pal! When you mentioned German, I remembered something. When I was in the 6th standard in high school, I studied German language as my optional subject for 1 whole year. After that, syllabus changed in the next year, so, there's no German class. Now, as I see you know German too and I still remember some little basics, I want to join German wikipedia, because I am always interested in writing articles about Meitei mythology characters. If you are there (in German wiki), will you help me in building up articles in German language? At the same time, I feared globally locked because I am already blocked in en wiki as you know. Do you have any idea if all the policies about blocking a user in German wiki same or different from English wikis? Btw, very soon, I will go to German wiki to build Meitei articles. It's really fortunate that I learned those basic lessons from a Meitei teacher and now, I want you to help me (if possible). At the same time, I will take the help from internet too. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯰:꯰꯸, ꯲꯵ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hi @Haoreima:. I'm a little busy at the moment but yes, I am happy to help you learn German. I'll probably be better at individual words more than the grammar but I'll be able to help you in some way or another! I don't know the rules around German Wikipedia that much but I will have a look at them in the coming days and give them to you. Best regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯲꯱, ꯲꯵ ꯏꯉꯥ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Continuing from the latest talk, hey friend! The IP is in wikidata. Where shall I see about wikidata oversighters? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯰꯸, ꯶ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Hi! You can email oversight@wikidata.org the revision with the IP. You can also email any of the oversighters listed at wikidata:Wikidata:Oversight. Regards, --Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯱꯱, ꯶ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Thanks, done! Do you know why we can't search users by just typing their usernames in wikidata unlike Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, despite the creation of user page of any particular users? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯳꯳, ꯶ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Haoreima: Hi! I'm not sure why you can't search up users on Wikidata like you can on Wikipedia. If you just press the "Search for pages containing User:..." button, you should be able to find user pages. Regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯲꯲:꯵꯹, ꯶ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Signature

Hello pal! (1) Regarding signature, I saw something in my Special:Preference. Can I create anything (even in my own script, Meitei script) the signature design? Is there any guideline page in the wiki? If so, kindly show me please. Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯸:꯴꯰, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

(2) Besides, how do you create that red rectangular box "Belwine" in your past name's signature, I am really admired by it? Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯸:꯴꯱, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hi @Haoreima:

1. The guideline for signatures on enwiki is en:WP:SIG, and as long as you follow the rules, you can add pretty much whatever you like. You can find out how you can create a good custom signature at en:WP:CUSTOMSIG.
2. The code for my old signature was <span style="border-radius: 20px; color: white; background: #FF0000; padding: 3.5px;">[[User:Belwine|<span style="color: #fff;">Belwine</span>]] • [[User talk:Belwine|💬]] • [[Special:Contribs/Belwine|📜]]</span> (Belwine • 💬 • 📜) but as it may cause issues for colour blind people and computers that can't use emoji I changed it to just Belwine (talk). When I changed my username to Ferien, I changed my signature to Ferien (talk)

Regards, Ferien (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯸:꯵꯰, ꯱꯱ ꯏꯉꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)